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Monday, November 16, 2009
Why do police wait so long before confronting wacko gunmen of v-tech or columbine?
Why don't police get into the situation faster and not stay outside for so long while people are being murdered, liker in v-tech or even columbine?? yes i realize its dangerous but they (police) are heavily armed and outnumber shooter(s).
none of the students or staff can defend themselves??
Why do police wait so long before confronting wacko gunmen of v-tech or columbine?
Why do people blame the police? First of all, they acted appropraitely, the recieved a call for the first shooting reportingt as a domestic dispute, an isolated incident and they could not predict that the gunman would open fire again inside another building. Also, the doors were chained shut by the gunman which does slow the police. Also, are you going to run into a building where there is a guy opening fire on innocent people, i bet not for a number of reasons. Why would you run in and get shot as well, not going to help the situation. Also, for all you know if you run in the gunman could have hostages that he is not going to harm but if you run is as a police officer you could set him off and cause the loss of even more human life. It is easy for people to sit back and second guess the police because you have never had to deal with what they do and you were not on the scene of a very intense crime. Stop trying to blame the police, the only person at blame is the sick a** who murdered 32 people. The police did their job, asked responsibly, and think about what they went through having to count the dead and injured. Had they rushed in and the gunman opened fired and took more innocent lives then you would all be sitting hear bashing them for reacting to strongly.
Reply:Police, once they receive the call have to assess the situation before just storming in and most likely causing a worse problem by not knowing at least a little of what they're dealing with.
But you did say a mouthful with your statement "none of the students or staff can defend themselves". Imagine the situation at VT where just one person held a carry permit for a handgun, the college had no carry restrictions, and that person was actually carrying. Then, the gunman most likely would have been stopped long before killing 32 unprotected, innocent people.
Police can't be everywhere. When we're face to face with a criminal, we're pretty much on our own. By the time anyone would be able to get to us (even under the best of time response), it's usually too late.
To quote coumnist Charley Reese, "What could have stopped the killings at Virginia Tech was another gun in the hands of a professor or a student. Unfortunately, they all became new victims of the gun-control crowd."
Maybe it's time for us to have the oportunity and right to be responsible for ourselves instead of depending on and expecting someone else to take care of us.
Reply:I understand that they arrived quickly. But the killer acted even more quickly.
Reply:The police arrive on the scene very quickly. Usually they wait to formulate a plan before entering a dangerous situation even though they are heavily armed.
It only took Cho Seung-hui 9 minutes to shoot 60 people in Norris Hall 3-5 times each. Thirty of his victims died. When he heard the police coming, he shot himself.
After arriving at Norris Hall, police took 5 minutes to assemble the proper team, clear the area and then break through the doors. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
The police use a shotgun to break through the chained entry doors. Investigators believe that the shotgun blast alerted the gunman to the arrival of the police.
The police heard gunshots as they entered the building. They followed the sounds to the second floor.
*9:41 a.m.: As the police reached the second floor, the gunshots stopped. Cho's shooting spree in Norris Hall lasted 9 minutes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
Police officers discovered that after his second round of shooting the occupants of room 211 Norris, the gunman fatally shot himself in the temple. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/22/va.tech... http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-commo...
One of the police officers who arrived on the scene realized that he did not have his protective vest so he waited to enter the building until after the shooting had stopped.
None of the students or staff could shoot back, but they did barricade the doors and jump out the windows.
In 2002, at the Appalachian School of Law, Peter Odighizuwa, a disgruntled student, shot and killed Dean Anthony Sutin and professor Dale Rubin. At the first sound of gunfire, fellow students Tracy Bridges and Mikael Gross, unbeknownst to each other, ran to their vehicles to fetch their personally owned firearms. The two students were able to subdue and apprehend Odigizuwa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian...
Reply:cant understand that either....in september when there was a school shooting here in montreal at dawson college (100000 students) the police had the school surounded in 3 minutes....and incident was closed in 30mins the gunman was killed. This happened in the middle of the busy downtown area....it makes no sense that they took so long there.
Reply:Good question. But the problem is this -- If the students and staff COULD defend themselves, maybe someone could have stopped him before so many were murdered. We've had several situations in the last decade or so where a citizen with a gun stopped the criminal, but that part of the situation is never or rarely reported in the news. Criminals, as Cho himself proves, can always get guns, and they don't usually get them legally - again, as Cho proves -- his guns' serial numbers were filed off -- these were not guns legally gotten! More GOOD GUYS need to be armed, and criminals will think twice about opening fire. I mean, who wants to open fire on a mass of people who are all armed? Ask any criminal whom he would rather hold up - an unarmed or an armed citizen -- what do you think his answer would be?!
Reply:There is such a thing as no weapons allowed on school property, is there not? Who at the college is responsible to that code? someone always blames the outside group when things go wrong inside. You have an inside issue there...
none of the students or staff can defend themselves??
Why do police wait so long before confronting wacko gunmen of v-tech or columbine?
Why do people blame the police? First of all, they acted appropraitely, the recieved a call for the first shooting reportingt as a domestic dispute, an isolated incident and they could not predict that the gunman would open fire again inside another building. Also, the doors were chained shut by the gunman which does slow the police. Also, are you going to run into a building where there is a guy opening fire on innocent people, i bet not for a number of reasons. Why would you run in and get shot as well, not going to help the situation. Also, for all you know if you run in the gunman could have hostages that he is not going to harm but if you run is as a police officer you could set him off and cause the loss of even more human life. It is easy for people to sit back and second guess the police because you have never had to deal with what they do and you were not on the scene of a very intense crime. Stop trying to blame the police, the only person at blame is the sick a** who murdered 32 people. The police did their job, asked responsibly, and think about what they went through having to count the dead and injured. Had they rushed in and the gunman opened fired and took more innocent lives then you would all be sitting hear bashing them for reacting to strongly.
Reply:Police, once they receive the call have to assess the situation before just storming in and most likely causing a worse problem by not knowing at least a little of what they're dealing with.
But you did say a mouthful with your statement "none of the students or staff can defend themselves". Imagine the situation at VT where just one person held a carry permit for a handgun, the college had no carry restrictions, and that person was actually carrying. Then, the gunman most likely would have been stopped long before killing 32 unprotected, innocent people.
Police can't be everywhere. When we're face to face with a criminal, we're pretty much on our own. By the time anyone would be able to get to us (even under the best of time response), it's usually too late.
To quote coumnist Charley Reese, "What could have stopped the killings at Virginia Tech was another gun in the hands of a professor or a student. Unfortunately, they all became new victims of the gun-control crowd."
Maybe it's time for us to have the oportunity and right to be responsible for ourselves instead of depending on and expecting someone else to take care of us.
Reply:I understand that they arrived quickly. But the killer acted even more quickly.
Reply:The police arrive on the scene very quickly. Usually they wait to formulate a plan before entering a dangerous situation even though they are heavily armed.
It only took Cho Seung-hui 9 minutes to shoot 60 people in Norris Hall 3-5 times each. Thirty of his victims died. When he heard the police coming, he shot himself.
After arriving at Norris Hall, police took 5 minutes to assemble the proper team, clear the area and then break through the doors. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
The police use a shotgun to break through the chained entry doors. Investigators believe that the shotgun blast alerted the gunman to the arrival of the police.
The police heard gunshots as they entered the building. They followed the sounds to the second floor.
*9:41 a.m.: As the police reached the second floor, the gunshots stopped. Cho's shooting spree in Norris Hall lasted 9 minutes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
Police officers discovered that after his second round of shooting the occupants of room 211 Norris, the gunman fatally shot himself in the temple. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/22/va.tech... http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-commo...
One of the police officers who arrived on the scene realized that he did not have his protective vest so he waited to enter the building until after the shooting had stopped.
None of the students or staff could shoot back, but they did barricade the doors and jump out the windows.
In 2002, at the Appalachian School of Law, Peter Odighizuwa, a disgruntled student, shot and killed Dean Anthony Sutin and professor Dale Rubin. At the first sound of gunfire, fellow students Tracy Bridges and Mikael Gross, unbeknownst to each other, ran to their vehicles to fetch their personally owned firearms. The two students were able to subdue and apprehend Odigizuwa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian...
Reply:cant understand that either....in september when there was a school shooting here in montreal at dawson college (100000 students) the police had the school surounded in 3 minutes....and incident was closed in 30mins the gunman was killed. This happened in the middle of the busy downtown area....it makes no sense that they took so long there.
Reply:Good question. But the problem is this -- If the students and staff COULD defend themselves, maybe someone could have stopped him before so many were murdered. We've had several situations in the last decade or so where a citizen with a gun stopped the criminal, but that part of the situation is never or rarely reported in the news. Criminals, as Cho himself proves, can always get guns, and they don't usually get them legally - again, as Cho proves -- his guns' serial numbers were filed off -- these were not guns legally gotten! More GOOD GUYS need to be armed, and criminals will think twice about opening fire. I mean, who wants to open fire on a mass of people who are all armed? Ask any criminal whom he would rather hold up - an unarmed or an armed citizen -- what do you think his answer would be?!
Reply:There is such a thing as no weapons allowed on school property, is there not? Who at the college is responsible to that code? someone always blames the outside group when things go wrong inside. You have an inside issue there...
Virginia Tech and Columbine Massacre?
any idea on why virginia tech massacre and columbine massacre happened? What factor do you think drove these kids to be so violent?
Virginia Tech and Columbine Massacre?
they were bullied and ostracized.
Virginia Tech and Columbine Massacre?
they were bullied and ostracized.
How many died in the Columbine Shootings?
I used to know the exact number but can't remember anymore...can anyone help?
How many died in the Columbine Shootings?
15 died and 24 were injured
Reply:12 students and a teacher.
then the killers took their own lives as well.
racing shoes
How many died in the Columbine Shootings?
15 died and 24 were injured
Reply:12 students and a teacher.
then the killers took their own lives as well.
racing shoes
Why is it that when Columbine was shot up, they blamed Gothic people and Marilyn Manson, and Eminen?
BUT WHEN THAT TRUCK DRIVER SHOT UP THE OMISH SCHOOL THEY DIDN'T BLAME THE TRUCK DRIVERS? WHAT in our society makes us single out people who like a little bit different from what most would consider normal?
Why is it that when Columbine was shot up, they blamed Gothic people and Marilyn Manson, and Eminen?
Kitty, I think it was because the two kids wore the black trench coats all the time, and so there was an immediate association made to goth. Did youo see Bowling for Columbine? What Manson had to say about the youth of today was right on the money. He was also blamed because he was coming to town to perform right after it happened and it was a convienient excuse.
Reply:thank you Kitty! Report It
Reply:Kitty, thank you, I appreciate that! Report It
Reply:it just might be the way the boys was dressing, with the long trench coat.... U gotta blame somebody....
Reply:You missed the connection! Truck drivers are people working at driving trucks. They don't have an agenda, example: violence, hate, baseness, rejection of society, personal selfish gain. Oh, by the way, Saddam is a little bit different, so is Kim Jon, Adolf Hitler was, Charles Manson is a little bit different.
Reply:WHO KNOWS,IF YOUR IN AMERICA YOU CAN BE WHAT YOU WANT..IF PEOPLE DONT LIKE YOU THEN TOUGH!
Reply:the NRA and media needed to find a scape goat to blame it on someone. it couldnt have possible been because the media is fear driven and all you see is murders and stabbings on the news. when stuff like that is shoved in your face it makes you more insensitive to those types of things like "hey everyone else does it" cuz u see it all over the news. So who is an easy target hey hows about goth people they are different and love death. so there you go. It sux for u guys
Reply:And don't forget KMDFM to .......it's easy to blame the music kids listen to in stead of blaming the parents for not taking interest in what their kids are doing....Like the man who tried to sue Ozzy Osborne because his son committed suicide listening to his music. There was a lot more to the kid than the music the parents just weren't paying attention. When it's an adult it reflects to their past as the guy who raped and shot the girls at the Amish school.
I agree if you look different your considered strange but what is normal today. I am strange because I ware black all the time and I'm 45 go figure
Reply:its easier to blame someone else.
Reply:It's just so EASY to blame goths, Marilyn Manson, and Eminem though. It's not as easy to blame truck drivers.
For the record, I agree with you. People should be responsible for their own actions.
Reply:Was Eminem even around then? I think the only musical group I remember was KMFDM, or something like that. I don't recall anything about goths being mentioned. More like gun-crazy DOOM playing angry young males.
Reply:good question.
if i told you it would be the end of me.
you'll have to wait.
Why is it that when Columbine was shot up, they blamed Gothic people and Marilyn Manson, and Eminen?
Kitty, I think it was because the two kids wore the black trench coats all the time, and so there was an immediate association made to goth. Did youo see Bowling for Columbine? What Manson had to say about the youth of today was right on the money. He was also blamed because he was coming to town to perform right after it happened and it was a convienient excuse.
Reply:thank you Kitty! Report It
Reply:Kitty, thank you, I appreciate that! Report It
Reply:it just might be the way the boys was dressing, with the long trench coat.... U gotta blame somebody....
Reply:You missed the connection! Truck drivers are people working at driving trucks. They don't have an agenda, example: violence, hate, baseness, rejection of society, personal selfish gain. Oh, by the way, Saddam is a little bit different, so is Kim Jon, Adolf Hitler was, Charles Manson is a little bit different.
Reply:WHO KNOWS,IF YOUR IN AMERICA YOU CAN BE WHAT YOU WANT..IF PEOPLE DONT LIKE YOU THEN TOUGH!
Reply:the NRA and media needed to find a scape goat to blame it on someone. it couldnt have possible been because the media is fear driven and all you see is murders and stabbings on the news. when stuff like that is shoved in your face it makes you more insensitive to those types of things like "hey everyone else does it" cuz u see it all over the news. So who is an easy target hey hows about goth people they are different and love death. so there you go. It sux for u guys
Reply:And don't forget KMDFM to .......it's easy to blame the music kids listen to in stead of blaming the parents for not taking interest in what their kids are doing....Like the man who tried to sue Ozzy Osborne because his son committed suicide listening to his music. There was a lot more to the kid than the music the parents just weren't paying attention. When it's an adult it reflects to their past as the guy who raped and shot the girls at the Amish school.
I agree if you look different your considered strange but what is normal today. I am strange because I ware black all the time and I'm 45 go figure
Reply:its easier to blame someone else.
Reply:It's just so EASY to blame goths, Marilyn Manson, and Eminem though. It's not as easy to blame truck drivers.
For the record, I agree with you. People should be responsible for their own actions.
Reply:Was Eminem even around then? I think the only musical group I remember was KMFDM, or something like that. I don't recall anything about goths being mentioned. More like gun-crazy DOOM playing angry young males.
Reply:good question.
if i told you it would be the end of me.
you'll have to wait.
What is the name of this song from bowling for columbine?
Some of the lyrics are, "I was born in michigan, and i wish and wish again. that i was in the town where i was born"
What is the name of this song from bowling for columbine?
i want to go back to michigan - billy murray
i think it was written a long time ago though....
not sure who wrote it.
Reply:i was born in michigan
What is the name of this song from bowling for columbine?
i want to go back to michigan - billy murray
i think it was written a long time ago though....
not sure who wrote it.
Reply:i was born in michigan
After the events of Columbine, and several other school shootings, why are teachers still not armed?
Great question, How I see it is most all of the states are short on teachers now to teach. Just think about if we would arm teachers you would have to train them. And all new teachers would need trained also. So that could take years and years. And the big thing about it is some teacher now cant do the job they have in the first place TO TEACH. so lets arm them too..Alot more thinking has to go in that idea..
After the events of Columbine, and several other school shootings, why are teachers still not armed?
what are you nuts? you want a teacher to walk around carrying a gun? ok hitler!
Reply:Just what we need, more people with guns who are not qualified to use them. There would be a dozen or more unnecessarily dead kids if teachers had guns. We already have too many cops with guns that shouldn't have them and we read about bad shootings all the time.
Reply:I know that the school shootings are bad, but I think that teachers have enough to worry about without them having to worry about some getting their gun and doing harm to others. I just dont think that this would accomplish anything.
Reply:Exactly like the lady above me said.Any kid can just beat the crap outta the teacher and take thier gun. Not only that, but teachers are normal human beings also. Whos to say that any one of them wouldnt have a bad day and flip out themselves. Just not a smart idea.
Reply:most teachers don't want to be armed but would like for school security to be tighter...I really don't have a problem with fences, metal detectors and id badges with barcodes...but not guns for teachers
After the events of Columbine, and several other school shootings, why are teachers still not armed?
what are you nuts? you want a teacher to walk around carrying a gun? ok hitler!
Reply:Just what we need, more people with guns who are not qualified to use them. There would be a dozen or more unnecessarily dead kids if teachers had guns. We already have too many cops with guns that shouldn't have them and we read about bad shootings all the time.
Reply:I know that the school shootings are bad, but I think that teachers have enough to worry about without them having to worry about some getting their gun and doing harm to others. I just dont think that this would accomplish anything.
Reply:Exactly like the lady above me said.Any kid can just beat the crap outta the teacher and take thier gun. Not only that, but teachers are normal human beings also. Whos to say that any one of them wouldnt have a bad day and flip out themselves. Just not a smart idea.
Reply:most teachers don't want to be armed but would like for school security to be tighter...I really don't have a problem with fences, metal detectors and id badges with barcodes...but not guns for teachers
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